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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 12, 2008 12:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 12, 2008 13:38:16 GMT -5
Not surprised. There's a story from the same area of the world--maybe not around Wellington, but somewhere in the South Pacific--about a dolphin who led ships through a narrow strait or channel for many years. There was one particular ship from which a drunken passenger shot the dolphin as it guided the ship through (the passenger was promptly arrested and confined to his cabin for the rest of the voyage)--To get back to the dolphin, it was not seen for about a year and was presumed dead, but one day it showed up and began again to guide ships through the strait as if nothing had ever happened--until the day the ship returned from which the drunk had shot the dolphin. The dolphin seemed to recognize that ship, and NEVER GUIDED IT THROUGH AGAIN. Seems eventually the ship crashed on the rocks in the strait since it wasn't guided through the safe channel. Wonderful critters, dolphins. Thanks for the link, Chris!
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Post by Krista on Mar 12, 2008 13:42:34 GMT -5
OK, this bit has nothing to do with animals but has everything to do with "Just 'cause." Happy Birthday to Jack Kerouac! Enough mother forkin' politics; there are more important things out there! On this date in 1922, Jack Kerouac (or Ti' Jean - the nickname given to him by his anti-Semitic, clingy, and totally not nice mother) was born in Lowell, MA. So, I'm awash in oodles of Kerouac quotes I can give y'all; I might try to post them on Newshole, too, but I won't hold my breath that they'll see the light of day - unlike the terrific luck I had with the Burroughs quotes back in February. Here's probably the most famous quote from his most famous work, On the Road: "...the only people that interest me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones that never yawn or say a commonplace thing..but burn, burn, burn like roman candles across the night."
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Post by Laura on Mar 12, 2008 13:48:43 GMT -5
Thanks Chris, this is wonderful. I always wondered what it would be like to swim with the Dolphins? Probably one of those unforgettable, fantastic, to die for experiences. I envy those who have.
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 12, 2008 13:59:35 GMT -5
Not surprised. There's a story from the same area of the world--maybe not around Wellington, but somewhere in the South Pacific--about a dolphin who led ships through a narrow strait or channel for many years. There was one particular ship from which a drunken passenger shot the dolphin as it guided the ship through (the passenger was promptly arrested and confined to his cabin for the rest of the voyage)--To get back to the dolphin, it was not seen for about a year and was presumed dead, but one day it showed up and began again to guide ships through the strait as if nothing had ever happened--until the day the ship returned from which the drunk had shot the dolphin. The dolphin seemed to recognize that ship, and NEVER GUIDED IT THROUGH AGAIN. Seems eventually the ship crashed on the rocks in the strait since it wasn't guided through the safe channel. Wonderful critters, dolphins. Thanks for the link, Chris! "Peloris Jack" was the name of the dolphin, and he used to guide ships through the treacherous Cape of Good Horn. Thanks for the reminder!
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 12, 2008 15:08:30 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080312/sc_afp/greecearchaeologymedicineA young woman's skull from the third century (apparently BC) showing signs of surgical intervention for a brain injury. I like stories like this--sort of keeps me humble to realize there's no end to what ancient peoples could have done given our fancy toys. In fact, skulls like this show that the oldtimers--for whatever reason--had a higher survival rate following such drastic surgeries than modern humans, in many many cases.
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 12, 2008 15:17:06 GMT -5
Not surprised. There's a story from the same area of the world--maybe not around Wellington, but somewhere in the South Pacific--about a dolphin who led ships through a narrow strait or channel for many years. There was one particular ship from which a drunken passenger shot the dolphin as it guided the ship through (the passenger was promptly arrested and confined to his cabin for the rest of the voyage)--To get back to the dolphin, it was not seen for about a year and was presumed dead, but one day it showed up and began again to guide ships through the strait as if nothing had ever happened--until the day the ship returned from which the drunk had shot the dolphin. The dolphin seemed to recognize that ship, and NEVER GUIDED IT THROUGH AGAIN. Seems eventually the ship crashed on the rocks in the strait since it wasn't guided through the safe channel. Wonderful critters, dolphins. Thanks for the link, Chris! "Peloris Jack" was the name of the dolphin, and he used to guide ships through the treacherous Cape of Good Horn. Thanks for the reminder! Found this online, from a book called THE CIRCUMNAVIGATORS by Don Holm, chapter 44, a man named Voss mentioning Peloris Jack in his log: Sailing to Nelson via French Pass, Voss comments at length on the local legend of Peloris Jack, the only circumnavigator to make direct reference to this unique mammal. He reports, however, that Peloris Jack failed to show up to accompany him, although Voss waited on the west side of the strait for slack water as all vessels had to do. Conor O'Brien later also commented on Peloris Jack. Peloris Jack was more than a legend. He was a Risso's dolphin (Grampus griseus), a beakless species of the Tasman Sea. This dolphin met and accom- panied ships that crossed the Cook Strait, between the North and South islands for more than twenty years. In the spring of 1912, the dolphin disappeared and was believed to have died of old age. The complete story can be found in Dol- phins, the Myth and the Mammul by Antony Alpers (Cambridge, Mass.: The Riverside Press, 1961 ) .
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 12, 2008 16:03:28 GMT -5
"Peloris Jack" was the name of the dolphin, and he used to guide ships through the treacherous Cape of Good Horn. Thanks for the reminder! Found this online, from a book called THE CIRCUMNAVIGATORS by Don Holm, chapter 44, a man named Voss mentioning Peloris Jack in his log: Sailing to Nelson via French Pass, Voss comments at length on the local legend of Peloris Jack, the only circumnavigator to make direct reference to this unique mammal. He reports, however, that Peloris Jack failed to show up to accompany him, although Voss waited on the west side of the strait for slack water as all vessels had to do. Conor O'Brien later also commented on Peloris Jack. Peloris Jack was more than a legend. He was a Risso's dolphin (Grampus griseus), a beakless species of the Tasman Sea. This dolphin met and accom- panied ships that crossed the Cook Strait, between the North and South islands for more than twenty years. In the spring of 1912, the dolphin disappeared and was believed to have died of old age. The complete story can be found in Dol- phins, the Myth and the Mammul by Antony Alpers (Cambridge, Mass.: The Riverside Press, 1961 ) . Way to research, girl! Go, go!
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 12, 2008 16:04:40 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080312/sc_afp/greecearchaeologymedicineA young woman's skull from the third century (apparently BC) showing signs of surgical intervention for a brain injury. I like stories like this--sort of keeps me humble to realize there's no end to what ancient peoples could have done given our fancy toys. In fact, skulls like this show that the oldtimers--for whatever reason--had a higher survival rate following such drastic surgeries than modern humans, in many many cases. I like reading about these things too. It serves as a reminder that Primitive does NOT mean stupid!
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Post by Krista on Mar 12, 2008 17:26:06 GMT -5
Some more Kerouac to cleanse the soul - from The Scripture of the Golden Eternity: "God is not outside us but is just us, the living and the dead, the never-lived and never-died. That we should learn it only now, is supreme reality, it was written a long time ago in the archives of universal mind, it is already done, there's no more to do."
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Post by Laura on Mar 12, 2008 17:27:56 GMT -5
Some more Kerouac to cleanse the soul - from The Scripture of the Golden Eternity: "God is not outside us but is just us, the living and the dead, the never-lived and never-died. That we should learn it only now, is supreme reality, it was written a long time ago in the archives of universal mind, it is already done, there's no more to do." Love it Krista..thanks.
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Post by Laura on Mar 12, 2008 17:30:46 GMT -5
Maybe some of you would agree, but I think this thread started by Chris is "Just" right for those stories, quotes..things, we want to share with others. Unless we're responding to a particular post, maybe this thread can be used for sharing. What say you all?
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Post by Krista on Mar 12, 2008 18:44:04 GMT -5
More words from Ti' Jean in case I don't feel like submitting something later on, here are some words from my favorite Kerouac work, Big Sur: "When the various experiences come to light in meditation, do not be proud and anxious to tell other people, else to Goddesses and Mothers you will bring annoyance and here I am a perfectly obvious fool American writer doing just that not only for a living (which I was always able to glean anyway from railroad and ship and lifting boards and sacks with humble hand) but because if I don't write what actually I see happening in this unhappy globe which is rounded by the contours of my deathskull I think I'll have been sent on earth by poor God for nothing--"
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 12, 2008 19:07:29 GMT -5
Maybe some of you would agree, but I think this thread started by Chris is "Just" right for those stories, quotes..things, we want to share with others. Unless we're responding to a particular post, maybe this thread can be used for sharing. What say you all? I think this is a wonderful idea, Laura. We have so much to share; there are so many ways in which we can enrich each other. I'll start. I think swimming with dolphins would feel like the way I feel when I'm riding - I'm at one with my horse, with my spirit, with the spirit of nature. There's a purity, a clarity that is as close to what I imagine heaven will be like. I get the same feeling when I'm working my dog - we are a team; he seems to read my mind and when I look in his eyes, I know without doubt that I'm looking into the face of God. I'd like to swim with dolphins. Guess I'd better learn to swim, huh? ;D
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 12, 2008 19:23:22 GMT -5
I agree. Good place for all the non-election related, war-related stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere. So Auntie stickered it for us. Her seal of approval. Hey, I just scaled Mt. Olympus! Not bad for a gal who's afraid of heights! (And snakes, and water, and spiders, and the Bush administration, and--oh, you get my drift!) Auntie says not to get any ideas about knocking her off her lofty perch like Zeus did the Titans. And I would not dare try.
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Post by Laura on Mar 12, 2008 21:57:53 GMT -5
I agree. Good place for all the non-election related, war-related stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere. So Auntie stickered it for us. Her seal of approval. Hey, I just scaled Mt. Olympus! Not bad for a gal who's afraid of heights! (And snakes, and water, and spiders, and the Bush administration, and--oh, you get my drift!) Auntie says not to get any ideas about knocking her off her lofty perch like Zeus did the Titans. And I would not dare try. Oh this is too darn cute! I just want to reach in the screen and grab this little baby. Thanks Katie, made my evening.
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 13, 2008 8:12:01 GMT -5
Good morning, everyone! And I hope all had a restful, restorative evening, punctuated with euphoric memories of Keith's Special Comment. Still can't get over that. Remarkable. Anywho, since this is our "Outlet" thread, I wanted to share this with you: D'yall remember a few weeks ago I posted a link to an MSNBC story about a book my friend Kevin was writing, having gathered together several hundred stories about how people lost their virginity? Well, the reviews are coming in: www.associatedcontent.com/article/653467/we_killed_our_virginity.htmlWe are just so proud and happy for our friend that we can scarcely contain ourselves! My husband designed Kevin's website, (www.artofkdboze.com) and I wrote the legal disclaimer for the contributors, so we feel like we've been part of the project. Check it out if you get a chance! And again, a glorious morning to all!
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 13, 2008 8:12:32 GMT -5
I agree. Good place for all the non-election related, war-related stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere. So Auntie stickered it for us. Her seal of approval. Hey, I just scaled Mt. Olympus! Not bad for a gal who's afraid of heights! (And snakes, and water, and spiders, and the Bush administration, and--oh, you get my drift!) Auntie says not to get any ideas about knocking her off her lofty perch like Zeus did the Titans. And I would not dare try. Oh this is too darn cute! I just want to reach in the screen and grab this little baby. Thanks Katie, made my evening. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
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Post by Krista on Mar 13, 2008 9:00:30 GMT -5
This post doesn't justify a new thread, so I figure this would be the place to put it. I'm going to be away for a few days. Some of you here already know this, but this will be new information to most. I am a practicing Buddhist. This weekend is another retreat at the Indianapolis Zen Center (where I practice), and I'm the head dharma teacher for it, so I won't be home much or much less around a computer until Sunday afternoon. I have to leave in a couple hours to pick up our guiding teacher at the airport, and there's events at the Center tonight, so I won't be around much for the rest of today either. If I'm lucky, I'll come in on tonight's Countdown midway through, and I won't see Friday's Countdown until Sunday afternoon, so, needless to say, I won't be blogging it here until next week. In a couple of ways, I'm glad this retreat is happening now. I've been not real happy with a lot of things in my life, how I'm thinking about them, and how I'm feeling about them, so I think getting away from everything in a fashion for a bit will do me some good. I do not relish getting up before the chickens to do it, though. Yes, I know some of you are always up then, but I never have been nor will I ever be a morning person. I'll catch up and slowly make my way "back into the world" on Sunday. Y'all behave while I'm gone-be nice, no wet willies, no Indian burns, etc.
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Post by Laura on Mar 13, 2008 9:56:03 GMT -5
This post doesn't justify a new thread, so I figure this would be the place to put it. I'm going to be away for a few days. Some of you here already know this, but this will be new information to most. I am a practicing Buddhist. This weekend is another retreat at the Indianapolis Zen Center (where I practice), and I'm the head dharma teacher for it, so I won't be home much or much less around a computer until Sunday afternoon. I have to leave in a couple hours to pick up our guiding teacher at the airport, and there's events at the Center tonight, so I won't be around much for the rest of today either. If I'm lucky, I'll come in on tonight's Countdown midway through, and I won't see Friday's Countdown until Sunday afternoon, so, needless to say, I won't be blogging it here until next week. In a couple of ways, I'm glad this retreat is happening now. I've been not real happy with a lot of things in my life, how I'm thinking about them, and how I'm feeling about them, so I think getting away from everything in a fashion for a bit will do me some good. I do not relish getting up before the chickens to do it, though. Yes, I know some of you are always up then, but I never have been nor will I ever be a morning person. I'll catch up and slowly make my way "back into the world" on Sunday. Y'all behave while I'm gone-be nice, no wet willies, no Indian burns, etc. Good luck my dear. Come back to us refreshed and more at peace. We will miss you.
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Post by chrisfondaborder on Mar 13, 2008 10:31:51 GMT -5
This post doesn't justify a new thread, so I figure this would be the place to put it. I'm going to be away for a few days. Some of you here already know this, but this will be new information to most. I am a practicing Buddhist. This weekend is another retreat at the Indianapolis Zen Center (where I practice), and I'm the head dharma teacher for it, so I won't be home much or much less around a computer until Sunday afternoon. I have to leave in a couple hours to pick up our guiding teacher at the airport, and there's events at the Center tonight, so I won't be around much for the rest of today either. If I'm lucky, I'll come in on tonight's Countdown midway through, and I won't see Friday's Countdown until Sunday afternoon, so, needless to say, I won't be blogging it here until next week. In a couple of ways, I'm glad this retreat is happening now. I've been not real happy with a lot of things in my life, how I'm thinking about them, and how I'm feeling about them, so I think getting away from everything in a fashion for a bit will do me some good. I do not relish getting up before the chickens to do it, though. Yes, I know some of you are always up then, but I never have been nor will I ever be a morning person. I'll catch up and slowly make my way "back into the world" on Sunday. Y'all behave while I'm gone-be nice, no wet willies, no Indian burns, etc. Good luck my dear. Come back to us refreshed and more at peace. We will miss you. Rest well, my friend. The spirit must be nourished as well as the body. Go to a place of light, refreshment and peace and then return to us, enlightened. And have a good time, y'hear?
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 13, 2008 10:37:59 GMT -5
Blessings to you. One of us will "sit in" till you're home. We'll miss you.
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 13, 2008 11:39:56 GMT -5
Another tidbit for our catchall category: Dana Milbank on Harry Reid's attempt to reenact FDR's first fireside chat: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031203666_Comments.htmlHere's what I commented at Milbank's site: I was born three decades, more or less, after FDR made that first fireside chat, but I've heard a few of them rebroadcast. One thing that I find irreparably wrong about this whole podcast concept is that, even if Reid does have better sound quality, he does not have that rich patrician voice of FDR's. It's like comparing--oh, I don't know--Enrico Caruso and Mickey Mouse? Reid's voice does NOT inspire me with confidence. *************************************************************************** Think I like posting at WaPo more than pounding my head against the brick wall at NH. Vain of me, but it's a more profitable return on my investment.
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Post by moonstone on Mar 13, 2008 12:27:09 GMT -5
Another tidbit for our catchall category: Dana Milbank on Harry Reid's attempt to reenact FDR's first fireside chat: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031203666_Comments.htmlHere's what I commented at Milbank's site: I was born three decades, more or less, after FDR made that first fireside chat, but I've heard a few of them rebroadcast. One thing that I find irreparably wrong about this whole podcast concept is that, even if Reid does have better sound quality, he does not have that rich patrician voice of FDR's. It's like comparing--oh, I don't know--Enrico Caruso and Mickey Mouse? Reid's voice does NOT inspire me with confidence. *************************************************************************** Think I like posting at WaPo more than pounding my head against the brick wall at NH. Vain of me, but it's a more profitable return on my investment. This makes me wonder how often history may turn on things like that. For example, what if Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had had a voice like Mickey Mouse? And how inspiring has George W. Bush's voice been?
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Post by greenbrier on Mar 13, 2008 12:39:14 GMT -5
I shudder to think about the first question--but I don't think a Mickey Mouse voice would have been a trumpet call for the fight for civil rights.
As for the second--eeeeuuuuuugggghhhhh--(insert retch)
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